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spending. we've gone from deficits to surpluses. we're growing jobs, growing our economy. we're providing once again sources of energy from whatever source it might be, depending upon which state you're in. we're proving these things do work. but we also told him the time it takes to get permits, we would like to have offshore drilling. we would like to have more cooperation from the epa and different federal regulatory entities that take so long to get through. those things are holding jobs back. of course, he has a different philosophy, that the more government spends, the more it will help the economy, which we believe differently. we believe you let people keep more of their hard earned money they're going to spend it back in the economy and create jobs and businesses. >> congress at budget office, nonpartisan, has come out with a study in the last week or so that says basically obamacare is going to cost up to 2.5 million jobs, lost jobs from obamacare, and about 1 million lost jobs in the minimum wage. question, if you know -- if you knew as governor, if your budget bureau told you
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